Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor
Written by Marcus Smith
Tom Walker
Tom Walker
Jun 15, 2020
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5
Mainline Class
Specialty Class
Endurance
Ladies Run Club
Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Turbo season has been well underway for the past few months thanks to a few restrictions. Now we are being allowed back outside, you may see some differences in your numbers. Here is what to expect and why.

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor


Outdoors we are much more likely to do some out the saddle riding. When this happens we can produce more force thanks to our body weight pushing through the pedals, while indoor we tend not to ride out the saddle and so body weight is largely put through the saddle. This means you should expect to see a higher NP and MAX power when riding outside compared to a similar ride inside.

They are called stationary turbo trainers for a reason, they’re stationary. Outside we can move the bike and you will see good riders line them selves up into the perfect power producing position for themselves by rocking the bike. On turbo trainers this rocking cannot happen, so some force is lost due to the movement over the bike to get into a perfect power producing position. This will be prevalent in MAX power efforts.

Coasting, a great chance for the legs to rest and regain some energy. Indoors we tend not to coast, a two hour indoor session is said to be like 3 - 4hrs on the road because of this. Unless you are used to riding on pan flat roads (like Al Qudra) the first few times you do longer sessions on the turbo you will really feel them in your legs. Because of the natural breaks we get outdoors we can usually sustain power for longer, so we will see higher power avg and NP compared to indoors.

Comparing data sets


A huge consideration when comparing indoor to outdoor data is the method of collection. If you ride indoors with a power based trainer, you are likely using that for your data. Outdoors, obviously you must have a different power meter to collect the data. Therefore you are using two different power meters. They will give different readings. If you are getting around a 2.5% difference between your power meters you are doing extremely well. It is common to see a 5 - 10% difference between power meters.

You can check the above by performing a test. Record your indoor power data using something like zwift (or similar) alongside recording your ‘outdoor’ data using your power meter and a garmin (or similar). Then compare the two data sets. While this won’t tell you if you are producing more power outdoors, it will tell you how different your indoor to outdoor power readings are.

Don't be alarmed if there is a 10 - 30 W difference between data sets. It doesn’t mean you are not training accurately or correctly it just means to be aware of differences. During your outdoor season, you should try to base your power zones from the outdoor power meter on an outdoor test. During turbo season it is vice/versa.

Physiological differences


If your power meters are coming up flush, then you know the indoor vs outdoor differences in either down to the biomechanics of cycling or something physiological.

The most likely reason is heat. In Dubai, we tend to be able to keep ourselves cooler riding inside compared to outside. For most others in the world it is the opposite. When we heat up, blood is diverted away from the working muscles to the skin to help with cooling, however the muscle are still demanding the same energy output and so the body must reduce the work load to stop itself overheating. You rarely have a choice here, your body will do it automatically.

Indoors we can stay cool via AC, fans and ice cold nutrition. Outdoors in hot conditions this becomes a lot trickier. So if in the UAE and cycling in summer heat, expect to see a lower output than when you are indoors.

The bottom line


Expect to see differences but don’t let that put you off using both the indoor trainer and outdoor roads. Being a slave to numbers isn’t why we ride our bike. Understand what your zones feel like. Use the indoor season to gain great muscle efficiency for cycling and look forward to the outdoor season to match it with biomechanical efficiencies. So long as both are being improved at some stage, you are becoming a better cyclist.

If the data differences really bother you, ensure you are doing regular zero resets of your power meters and comparing them every few months.

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Specialty Class #25-26

GYMNASTICS

No Thursday PM Classes for the next 6 weeks.

This week, we’re working on handstand push-up development. We’ll start on the floor working on hip drive power, headstand balance and core work followed by box and wall drills before a strength piece to finish.

HYBRID FITNESS

This week's HYBRID session, we are working through repeats of specific sections of the race to dial in timings and feel. The primary focus will be on the initial four stages of the race.

MOBILITY

WEIGHTLIFTING

This week, we will focus on the squat snatch.  With a fun complex snatch pull, Hang squat snatch and OHS. Great technique session!

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Endurance #25-26

The Monday Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com\

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: The Loop Cafe, Nad al Sheeba

Track Tuesday

Our weekly on track speed session! For any level of runner looking to build their run speed, threshold and Vo2max fitness and run with the best running community in Dubai.

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Wednesday - Indoor Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com

Thursday - Endurance Strength

A strength class focused on key movements for endurance athletes to help avoid injury, build speed and develop strength.

Time: 06:30am

Location: This is a paid class session at InnerFight HQ. If you're interested to join, email winning@innerfight.com

Friday - Coffee Run

Our weekly tempo run.  Sessions are built on an RPE scale and accessible to all levels of runner. We start together, run hard then finish together and chat about it over a coffee and breakfast.

Brief time: 05:54 am
Start time
: 05:59 am

Start Location: Common Grounds

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Ladies Run Club 25-26

Monday

Session: LRC Tempo

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Tuesday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Session: Track Tuesday

This is your chance to run fast with the wider IFE community and coaches. Come ready to run fast and have fun.

Wednesday

Session: LRC Intervals

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Friday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Common Grounds

Session: The Coffee Run

This is our weekly Tempo Session with InnerFight Endurance. Come ready to run, work hard, and enjoy coffee afterwards.

Sunday

Time: 5:29am

Location: Cafe Peloton car park

Session: The Coffee Run

Route options:

5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/evqgc848

10km: https://onthegomap.com/s/63kid650

14.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/v56bkn24

19.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/se0bifs8

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Mainline Class
Specialty Class
Endurance
Ladies Run Club
Daily Workout 25-26

Monday:

Starting the week chasing a 1RM in the push press before partnering up to chase some Calories on the ski!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 8 - 1 Push press build to a max

Conditioning:

3 Rounds in pairs, in a 7-minute window

40/30 cal ski

40 TTB

40 push Press (60/40)

Cal Ski in the remaining time

Rest 3 mins

Tuesday:

Bringing the heat on a Tuesday with some 1RM Deadlifts! 9min AMRAP will follow this workout will get Spicy!

Strength:

A) EMOM 12

M1 - 20-30 sec dip support

M2 - 20 sec/leg sl glute bridge

M3 - 15 Banded Good Mornings

B) Every 90 sec x 6 - 2 Deadlift building

C) 8 mins to establish a 1RM

Conditioning:

9min AMRAP

5 DL @ 60% of 1 RM

5 Handstand Push Ups

*Every round, add one rep!

Wednesday:

Some strict work to get the upper body working, then 8 3-minute rounds where the harder you work, the more rest you get!

Strength:

EMOM x 10 1/5 strict pull-ups

Conditioning:

Every 3 mins x 8

18/15/12 cal Ass bike

8 DB Thrusters

8 pull-ups

Thursday:

What better than building to a heavy Front Squat followed by all-out 500m efforts on the rower.

Strength

A) Every 2 mins x 5 - 2/2/2/2/5 front squat

B) Every 2.30 mins x 5 16 KB Walking Lunge into 12 Alt KB Gorilla Rows

Conditioning:

For time

500m row

Rest 3 mins

500m row

Friday:

What an end to the week, an upper-body pump session in Therapy!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 9

A: 12-15 DB Skull Crushers

B: 10-15 barbell bicep curl

C: 5/5 Alternating DB Z Press

Conditioning:

28min AMRAP

3 DB Renegade Rows

12 Dual DB Deadlift

5 Wall Walks

Pool Run

Rest 90 sec

Every round + 1 Renegade Row on Each Arm

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Turbo season has been well underway for the past few months thanks to a few restrictions. Now we are being allowed back outside, you may see some differences in your numbers. Here is what to expect and why.

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor


Outdoors we are much more likely to do some out the saddle riding. When this happens we can produce more force thanks to our body weight pushing through the pedals, while indoor we tend not to ride out the saddle and so body weight is largely put through the saddle. This means you should expect to see a higher NP and MAX power when riding outside compared to a similar ride inside.

They are called stationary turbo trainers for a reason, they’re stationary. Outside we can move the bike and you will see good riders line them selves up into the perfect power producing position for themselves by rocking the bike. On turbo trainers this rocking cannot happen, so some force is lost due to the movement over the bike to get into a perfect power producing position. This will be prevalent in MAX power efforts.

Coasting, a great chance for the legs to rest and regain some energy. Indoors we tend not to coast, a two hour indoor session is said to be like 3 - 4hrs on the road because of this. Unless you are used to riding on pan flat roads (like Al Qudra) the first few times you do longer sessions on the turbo you will really feel them in your legs. Because of the natural breaks we get outdoors we can usually sustain power for longer, so we will see higher power avg and NP compared to indoors.

Comparing data sets


A huge consideration when comparing indoor to outdoor data is the method of collection. If you ride indoors with a power based trainer, you are likely using that for your data. Outdoors, obviously you must have a different power meter to collect the data. Therefore you are using two different power meters. They will give different readings. If you are getting around a 2.5% difference between your power meters you are doing extremely well. It is common to see a 5 - 10% difference between power meters.

You can check the above by performing a test. Record your indoor power data using something like zwift (or similar) alongside recording your ‘outdoor’ data using your power meter and a garmin (or similar). Then compare the two data sets. While this won’t tell you if you are producing more power outdoors, it will tell you how different your indoor to outdoor power readings are.

Don't be alarmed if there is a 10 - 30 W difference between data sets. It doesn’t mean you are not training accurately or correctly it just means to be aware of differences. During your outdoor season, you should try to base your power zones from the outdoor power meter on an outdoor test. During turbo season it is vice/versa.

Physiological differences


If your power meters are coming up flush, then you know the indoor vs outdoor differences in either down to the biomechanics of cycling or something physiological.

The most likely reason is heat. In Dubai, we tend to be able to keep ourselves cooler riding inside compared to outside. For most others in the world it is the opposite. When we heat up, blood is diverted away from the working muscles to the skin to help with cooling, however the muscle are still demanding the same energy output and so the body must reduce the work load to stop itself overheating. You rarely have a choice here, your body will do it automatically.

Indoors we can stay cool via AC, fans and ice cold nutrition. Outdoors in hot conditions this becomes a lot trickier. So if in the UAE and cycling in summer heat, expect to see a lower output than when you are indoors.

The bottom line


Expect to see differences but don’t let that put you off using both the indoor trainer and outdoor roads. Being a slave to numbers isn’t why we ride our bike. Understand what your zones feel like. Use the indoor season to gain great muscle efficiency for cycling and look forward to the outdoor season to match it with biomechanical efficiencies. So long as both are being improved at some stage, you are becoming a better cyclist.

If the data differences really bother you, ensure you are doing regular zero resets of your power meters and comparing them every few months.

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Endurance #25-26

The Monday Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com\

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: The Loop Cafe, Nad al Sheeba

Track Tuesday

Our weekly on track speed session! For any level of runner looking to build their run speed, threshold and Vo2max fitness and run with the best running community in Dubai.

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Wednesday - Indoor Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com

Thursday - Endurance Strength

A strength class focused on key movements for endurance athletes to help avoid injury, build speed and develop strength.

Time: 06:30am

Location: This is a paid class session at InnerFight HQ. If you're interested to join, email winning@innerfight.com

Friday - Coffee Run

Our weekly tempo run.  Sessions are built on an RPE scale and accessible to all levels of runner. We start together, run hard then finish together and chat about it over a coffee and breakfast.

Brief time: 05:54 am
Start time
: 05:59 am

Start Location: Common Grounds

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Ladies Run Club 25-26

Monday

Session: LRC Tempo

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Tuesday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Session: Track Tuesday

This is your chance to run fast with the wider IFE community and coaches. Come ready to run fast and have fun.

Wednesday

Session: LRC Intervals

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Friday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Common Grounds

Session: The Coffee Run

This is our weekly Tempo Session with InnerFight Endurance. Come ready to run, work hard, and enjoy coffee afterwards.

Sunday

Time: 5:29am

Location: Cafe Peloton car park

Session: The Coffee Run

Route options:

5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/evqgc848

10km: https://onthegomap.com/s/63kid650

14.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/v56bkn24

19.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/se0bifs8

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Mainline Class
Specialty Class
Endurance
Ladies Run Club
Daily Workout 25-26

Monday:

Starting the week chasing a 1RM in the push press before partnering up to chase some Calories on the ski!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 8 - 1 Push press build to a max

Conditioning:

3 Rounds in pairs, in a 7-minute window

40/30 cal ski

40 TTB

40 push Press (60/40)

Cal Ski in the remaining time

Rest 3 mins

Tuesday:

Bringing the heat on a Tuesday with some 1RM Deadlifts! 9min AMRAP will follow this workout will get Spicy!

Strength:

A) EMOM 12

M1 - 20-30 sec dip support

M2 - 20 sec/leg sl glute bridge

M3 - 15 Banded Good Mornings

B) Every 90 sec x 6 - 2 Deadlift building

C) 8 mins to establish a 1RM

Conditioning:

9min AMRAP

5 DL @ 60% of 1 RM

5 Handstand Push Ups

*Every round, add one rep!

Wednesday:

Some strict work to get the upper body working, then 8 3-minute rounds where the harder you work, the more rest you get!

Strength:

EMOM x 10 1/5 strict pull-ups

Conditioning:

Every 3 mins x 8

18/15/12 cal Ass bike

8 DB Thrusters

8 pull-ups

Thursday:

What better than building to a heavy Front Squat followed by all-out 500m efforts on the rower.

Strength

A) Every 2 mins x 5 - 2/2/2/2/5 front squat

B) Every 2.30 mins x 5 16 KB Walking Lunge into 12 Alt KB Gorilla Rows

Conditioning:

For time

500m row

Rest 3 mins

500m row

Friday:

What an end to the week, an upper-body pump session in Therapy!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 9

A: 12-15 DB Skull Crushers

B: 10-15 barbell bicep curl

C: 5/5 Alternating DB Z Press

Conditioning:

28min AMRAP

3 DB Renegade Rows

12 Dual DB Deadlift

5 Wall Walks

Pool Run

Rest 90 sec

Every round + 1 Renegade Row on Each Arm

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Specialty Class #25-26

GYMNASTICS

No Thursday PM Classes for the next 6 weeks.

This week, we’re working on handstand push-up development. We’ll start on the floor working on hip drive power, headstand balance and core work followed by box and wall drills before a strength piece to finish.

HYBRID FITNESS

This week's HYBRID session, we are working through repeats of specific sections of the race to dial in timings and feel. The primary focus will be on the initial four stages of the race.

MOBILITY

WEIGHTLIFTING

This week, we will focus on the squat snatch.  With a fun complex snatch pull, Hang squat snatch and OHS. Great technique session!

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Turbo season has been well underway for the past few months thanks to a few restrictions. Now we are being allowed back outside, you may see some differences in your numbers. Here is what to expect and why.

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor


Outdoors we are much more likely to do some out the saddle riding. When this happens we can produce more force thanks to our body weight pushing through the pedals, while indoor we tend not to ride out the saddle and so body weight is largely put through the saddle. This means you should expect to see a higher NP and MAX power when riding outside compared to a similar ride inside.

They are called stationary turbo trainers for a reason, they’re stationary. Outside we can move the bike and you will see good riders line them selves up into the perfect power producing position for themselves by rocking the bike. On turbo trainers this rocking cannot happen, so some force is lost due to the movement over the bike to get into a perfect power producing position. This will be prevalent in MAX power efforts.

Coasting, a great chance for the legs to rest and regain some energy. Indoors we tend not to coast, a two hour indoor session is said to be like 3 - 4hrs on the road because of this. Unless you are used to riding on pan flat roads (like Al Qudra) the first few times you do longer sessions on the turbo you will really feel them in your legs. Because of the natural breaks we get outdoors we can usually sustain power for longer, so we will see higher power avg and NP compared to indoors.

Comparing data sets


A huge consideration when comparing indoor to outdoor data is the method of collection. If you ride indoors with a power based trainer, you are likely using that for your data. Outdoors, obviously you must have a different power meter to collect the data. Therefore you are using two different power meters. They will give different readings. If you are getting around a 2.5% difference between your power meters you are doing extremely well. It is common to see a 5 - 10% difference between power meters.

You can check the above by performing a test. Record your indoor power data using something like zwift (or similar) alongside recording your ‘outdoor’ data using your power meter and a garmin (or similar). Then compare the two data sets. While this won’t tell you if you are producing more power outdoors, it will tell you how different your indoor to outdoor power readings are.

Don't be alarmed if there is a 10 - 30 W difference between data sets. It doesn’t mean you are not training accurately or correctly it just means to be aware of differences. During your outdoor season, you should try to base your power zones from the outdoor power meter on an outdoor test. During turbo season it is vice/versa.

Physiological differences


If your power meters are coming up flush, then you know the indoor vs outdoor differences in either down to the biomechanics of cycling or something physiological.

The most likely reason is heat. In Dubai, we tend to be able to keep ourselves cooler riding inside compared to outside. For most others in the world it is the opposite. When we heat up, blood is diverted away from the working muscles to the skin to help with cooling, however the muscle are still demanding the same energy output and so the body must reduce the work load to stop itself overheating. You rarely have a choice here, your body will do it automatically.

Indoors we can stay cool via AC, fans and ice cold nutrition. Outdoors in hot conditions this becomes a lot trickier. So if in the UAE and cycling in summer heat, expect to see a lower output than when you are indoors.

The bottom line


Expect to see differences but don’t let that put you off using both the indoor trainer and outdoor roads. Being a slave to numbers isn’t why we ride our bike. Understand what your zones feel like. Use the indoor season to gain great muscle efficiency for cycling and look forward to the outdoor season to match it with biomechanical efficiencies. So long as both are being improved at some stage, you are becoming a better cyclist.

If the data differences really bother you, ensure you are doing regular zero resets of your power meters and comparing them every few months.

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Ladies Run Club 25-26

Monday

Session: LRC Tempo

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Tuesday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Session: Track Tuesday

This is your chance to run fast with the wider IFE community and coaches. Come ready to run fast and have fun.

Wednesday

Session: LRC Intervals

There is no in-person session today. LRC Unlimited and Online clients, please check your TrainingPeaks accounts for the built session. Enjoy.

Friday

Time: 5:59am

Location: Common Grounds

Session: The Coffee Run

This is our weekly Tempo Session with InnerFight Endurance. Come ready to run, work hard, and enjoy coffee afterwards.

Sunday

Time: 5:29am

Location: Cafe Peloton car park

Session: The Coffee Run

Route options:

5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/evqgc848

10km: https://onthegomap.com/s/63kid650

14.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/v56bkn24

19.5km: https://onthegomap.com/s/se0bifs8

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Mainline Class
Specialty Class
Endurance
Ladies Run Club
Daily Workout 25-26

Monday:

Starting the week chasing a 1RM in the push press before partnering up to chase some Calories on the ski!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 8 - 1 Push press build to a max

Conditioning:

3 Rounds in pairs, in a 7-minute window

40/30 cal ski

40 TTB

40 push Press (60/40)

Cal Ski in the remaining time

Rest 3 mins

Tuesday:

Bringing the heat on a Tuesday with some 1RM Deadlifts! 9min AMRAP will follow this workout will get Spicy!

Strength:

A) EMOM 12

M1 - 20-30 sec dip support

M2 - 20 sec/leg sl glute bridge

M3 - 15 Banded Good Mornings

B) Every 90 sec x 6 - 2 Deadlift building

C) 8 mins to establish a 1RM

Conditioning:

9min AMRAP

5 DL @ 60% of 1 RM

5 Handstand Push Ups

*Every round, add one rep!

Wednesday:

Some strict work to get the upper body working, then 8 3-minute rounds where the harder you work, the more rest you get!

Strength:

EMOM x 10 1/5 strict pull-ups

Conditioning:

Every 3 mins x 8

18/15/12 cal Ass bike

8 DB Thrusters

8 pull-ups

Thursday:

What better than building to a heavy Front Squat followed by all-out 500m efforts on the rower.

Strength

A) Every 2 mins x 5 - 2/2/2/2/5 front squat

B) Every 2.30 mins x 5 16 KB Walking Lunge into 12 Alt KB Gorilla Rows

Conditioning:

For time

500m row

Rest 3 mins

500m row

Friday:

What an end to the week, an upper-body pump session in Therapy!

Strength:

Every 90 sec x 9

A: 12-15 DB Skull Crushers

B: 10-15 barbell bicep curl

C: 5/5 Alternating DB Z Press

Conditioning:

28min AMRAP

3 DB Renegade Rows

12 Dual DB Deadlift

5 Wall Walks

Pool Run

Rest 90 sec

Every round + 1 Renegade Row on Each Arm

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Specialty Class #25-26

GYMNASTICS

No Thursday PM Classes for the next 6 weeks.

This week, we’re working on handstand push-up development. We’ll start on the floor working on hip drive power, headstand balance and core work followed by box and wall drills before a strength piece to finish.

HYBRID FITNESS

This week's HYBRID session, we are working through repeats of specific sections of the race to dial in timings and feel. The primary focus will be on the initial four stages of the race.

MOBILITY

WEIGHTLIFTING

This week, we will focus on the squat snatch.  With a fun complex snatch pull, Hang squat snatch and OHS. Great technique session!

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Endurance #25-26

The Monday Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com\

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: The Loop Cafe, Nad al Sheeba

Track Tuesday

Our weekly on track speed session! For any level of runner looking to build their run speed, threshold and Vo2max fitness and run with the best running community in Dubai.

Time: 05:59 am

Session Length: 1 hour

Location: Dubai Sports City Sports Park

Entrance fee

Wednesday - Indoor Ride

Our community program is delivered via TrainingPeaks for AED 750 p/month. If you're interested to have a plan to follow, email tw@innerfight.com

Thursday - Endurance Strength

A strength class focused on key movements for endurance athletes to help avoid injury, build speed and develop strength.

Time: 06:30am

Location: This is a paid class session at InnerFight HQ. If you're interested to join, email winning@innerfight.com

Friday - Coffee Run

Our weekly tempo run.  Sessions are built on an RPE scale and accessible to all levels of runner. We start together, run hard then finish together and chat about it over a coffee and breakfast.

Brief time: 05:54 am
Start time
: 05:59 am

Start Location: Common Grounds

Triathlon
Swimming
Race Prep
Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Turbo season has been well underway for the past few months thanks to a few restrictions. Now we are being allowed back outside, you may see some differences in your numbers. Here is what to expect and why.

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor


Outdoors we are much more likely to do some out the saddle riding. When this happens we can produce more force thanks to our body weight pushing through the pedals, while indoor we tend not to ride out the saddle and so body weight is largely put through the saddle. This means you should expect to see a higher NP and MAX power when riding outside compared to a similar ride inside.

They are called stationary turbo trainers for a reason, they’re stationary. Outside we can move the bike and you will see good riders line them selves up into the perfect power producing position for themselves by rocking the bike. On turbo trainers this rocking cannot happen, so some force is lost due to the movement over the bike to get into a perfect power producing position. This will be prevalent in MAX power efforts.

Coasting, a great chance for the legs to rest and regain some energy. Indoors we tend not to coast, a two hour indoor session is said to be like 3 - 4hrs on the road because of this. Unless you are used to riding on pan flat roads (like Al Qudra) the first few times you do longer sessions on the turbo you will really feel them in your legs. Because of the natural breaks we get outdoors we can usually sustain power for longer, so we will see higher power avg and NP compared to indoors.

Comparing data sets


A huge consideration when comparing indoor to outdoor data is the method of collection. If you ride indoors with a power based trainer, you are likely using that for your data. Outdoors, obviously you must have a different power meter to collect the data. Therefore you are using two different power meters. They will give different readings. If you are getting around a 2.5% difference between your power meters you are doing extremely well. It is common to see a 5 - 10% difference between power meters.

You can check the above by performing a test. Record your indoor power data using something like zwift (or similar) alongside recording your ‘outdoor’ data using your power meter and a garmin (or similar). Then compare the two data sets. While this won’t tell you if you are producing more power outdoors, it will tell you how different your indoor to outdoor power readings are.

Don't be alarmed if there is a 10 - 30 W difference between data sets. It doesn’t mean you are not training accurately or correctly it just means to be aware of differences. During your outdoor season, you should try to base your power zones from the outdoor power meter on an outdoor test. During turbo season it is vice/versa.

Physiological differences


If your power meters are coming up flush, then you know the indoor vs outdoor differences in either down to the biomechanics of cycling or something physiological.

The most likely reason is heat. In Dubai, we tend to be able to keep ourselves cooler riding inside compared to outside. For most others in the world it is the opposite. When we heat up, blood is diverted away from the working muscles to the skin to help with cooling, however the muscle are still demanding the same energy output and so the body must reduce the work load to stop itself overheating. You rarely have a choice here, your body will do it automatically.

Indoors we can stay cool via AC, fans and ice cold nutrition. Outdoors in hot conditions this becomes a lot trickier. So if in the UAE and cycling in summer heat, expect to see a lower output than when you are indoors.

The bottom line


Expect to see differences but don’t let that put you off using both the indoor trainer and outdoor roads. Being a slave to numbers isn’t why we ride our bike. Understand what your zones feel like. Use the indoor season to gain great muscle efficiency for cycling and look forward to the outdoor season to match it with biomechanical efficiencies. So long as both are being improved at some stage, you are becoming a better cyclist.

If the data differences really bother you, ensure you are doing regular zero resets of your power meters and comparing them every few months.

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Indoor Vs. Outdoor Power

Turbo season has been well underway for the past few months thanks to a few restrictions. Now we are being allowed back outside, you may see some differences in your numbers. Here is what to expect and why.

Outdoor power will likely be higher than indoor


Outdoors we are much more likely to do some out the saddle riding. When this happens we can produce more force thanks to our body weight pushing through the pedals, while indoor we tend not to ride out the saddle and so body weight is largely put through the saddle. This means you should expect to see a higher NP and MAX power when riding outside compared to a similar ride inside.

They are called stationary turbo trainers for a reason, they’re stationary. Outside we can move the bike and you will see good riders line them selves up into the perfect power producing position for themselves by rocking the bike. On turbo trainers this rocking cannot happen, so some force is lost due to the movement over the bike to get into a perfect power producing position. This will be prevalent in MAX power efforts.

Coasting, a great chance for the legs to rest and regain some energy. Indoors we tend not to coast, a two hour indoor session is said to be like 3 - 4hrs on the road because of this. Unless you are used to riding on pan flat roads (like Al Qudra) the first few times you do longer sessions on the turbo you will really feel them in your legs. Because of the natural breaks we get outdoors we can usually sustain power for longer, so we will see higher power avg and NP compared to indoors.

Comparing data sets


A huge consideration when comparing indoor to outdoor data is the method of collection. If you ride indoors with a power based trainer, you are likely using that for your data. Outdoors, obviously you must have a different power meter to collect the data. Therefore you are using two different power meters. They will give different readings. If you are getting around a 2.5% difference between your power meters you are doing extremely well. It is common to see a 5 - 10% difference between power meters.

You can check the above by performing a test. Record your indoor power data using something like zwift (or similar) alongside recording your ‘outdoor’ data using your power meter and a garmin (or similar). Then compare the two data sets. While this won’t tell you if you are producing more power outdoors, it will tell you how different your indoor to outdoor power readings are.

Don't be alarmed if there is a 10 - 30 W difference between data sets. It doesn’t mean you are not training accurately or correctly it just means to be aware of differences. During your outdoor season, you should try to base your power zones from the outdoor power meter on an outdoor test. During turbo season it is vice/versa.

Physiological differences


If your power meters are coming up flush, then you know the indoor vs outdoor differences in either down to the biomechanics of cycling or something physiological.

The most likely reason is heat. In Dubai, we tend to be able to keep ourselves cooler riding inside compared to outside. For most others in the world it is the opposite. When we heat up, blood is diverted away from the working muscles to the skin to help with cooling, however the muscle are still demanding the same energy output and so the body must reduce the work load to stop itself overheating. You rarely have a choice here, your body will do it automatically.

Indoors we can stay cool via AC, fans and ice cold nutrition. Outdoors in hot conditions this becomes a lot trickier. So if in the UAE and cycling in summer heat, expect to see a lower output than when you are indoors.

The bottom line


Expect to see differences but don’t let that put you off using both the indoor trainer and outdoor roads. Being a slave to numbers isn’t why we ride our bike. Understand what your zones feel like. Use the indoor season to gain great muscle efficiency for cycling and look forward to the outdoor season to match it with biomechanical efficiencies. So long as both are being improved at some stage, you are becoming a better cyclist.

If the data differences really bother you, ensure you are doing regular zero resets of your power meters and comparing them every few months.